Show me the PROOF! Tired of Election Fraud Talk

 I had this discussion with a friend on social media.  He sent me this link and it was interesting and what follows is my response.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Farticles%2F2022%2F03%2F28%2Fwhat_history_teaches_us_about_stolen_elections_147388.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Co-WwcqXH0xXMEEvnxa3o3S6NwN-ZWqg3X9dHaCfgW2uzr8AGOlpnDIY&h=AT1ktYwFGFnT50_YaFMd-hf-OmJ3Pw56MHJrRNAKYqjUyb52awY57BZtr_aCFAF2pVJSJZ7z-ZDzo7AlcqnmCAorhTb8gc2qVuLb7Eij7o4mUjM2pqI9su3sub8ve8N-6ANvLdZbw9tnCZ2D7H4mIg

So, I read that and here is my response...

Wow! That was a fascinating article. Loved the detail and historical content. But I feel it falls short of being relevant to the 2020 election. With one of its initial statements: The scenario is familiar. A presidential election ends with uncertain results. I know many call the election fraudulent, and as I have stated before, if anyone presented evidence of voter fraud I would stand actively and insist Joe Biden be removed. But again, and again audits (both state run and privately run) have failed to find sufficient voter fraud to suggest wrong doing. In fact of the key audits performed in Georgia and Arizona, they discovered more votes for Biden than Trump. A degree of voter fraud is always present which is why states have criteria for recounts based upon percentage points of votes cast between candidates. Also – how were Republicans bullied? Until January 6th they held House & Senate which is why Pence was Speaker of the House. Even the recent audit in Wisconsin requested by Voss and with taxpayer money headed by an independent agent (Gableman) found no voter fraud more than what the previous 4 audits revealed (and again with more votes for Biden than Trump). His only complaint/grievance, and one I do agree, was that there was ‘influence’ by tech giants and other outside agencies to motivate voters. But really Doug – how is that different from ANY other election with adds etc. For me it comes down to this… 1] Voter turn out in the US is typically terrible and what companies (on both sides) always want is to inspire more people to vote. citizens ages 18-34, 57% voted in 2020, up from 49% in 2016. In the 35-64 age group, turnout was 69%, compared to 65% in 2016. In the 65 and older group, 74% voted in 2020, compared to 71% in 2016. 2] Biden won the popular vote – clearly. 3] Despite multiple audits NO significant voter fraud has been proven. Not even close. Now I hear from people that it was suppressed by media and the courts and so on… But many of the judges that reviewed the cases were Trump appointed (which I think says a lot about their commitment to law versus favoritism – kudos!) And let’s be realistic – Trump is a powerful man who just started his own social media, – with really powerful friends -. You mean to tell me that even on the news formats that favor Trump he and those who support him couldn’t post the PROOF of fraud that he and Lindell claim to have in preponderance? While I loved the article and the history it revealed, my response is the same… Show me proof and I will fight to remove Biden and run him out on a rail, but until then he is the President. Not by bullying, or because of media bias or censorship or any of that stuff. Its because he won.

What I cannot understand is why people feel they won’t accept it. Why not just fight harder for 2022 mid-terms and 2024? You know how I feel about Trump.. and Biden. Me I prefer to look forward and resolve the issue that way. There have been changes in many states to bolster the process. In some cases I feel to the detriment of minorities – but overall I agree with the measures taken. What will you do if Democrats win in 2022 or 2024 even after all those changes? There are too many poor losers who would rather call fowl than face facts, and that is just bad for the country which is based upon the Constitution. I recently asked a friend: What if the majority of people in the US want more government influence? What if the majority vote legally for that? Should those who oppose that fight the law and the Constitution to get their way? Isn’t THAT fascism? And as we have discussed before…. Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole (AKA government) and as far as I know that isn’t what people think it is. Plus it is different from Communism; Socialism believes in classes while Communists believe that all members of society will eventually share equally and that classes don’t exist. Socialism also differs from Social Democracy, which involves Socialism within a Capitalist framework. I think (and fear) what many Americans may want is Social Democracy.  And if they do - as a majority... then how do we respond if we want to remain a Democracy?